How Manifesting Really Works

John and Kim are here to explore the truth about manifesting methods that work — and those that don't. 

From understanding the power of your thoughts to tapping into the mind-body connection, this episode goes beyond the mystical and is sure to provide you with some intriguing insights into what it really means to manifest the life you want.

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Episode 8 – How Manifesting Really Works

Kim Eley (00:28):

Hi. So welcome back to another episode of Authentic Living, the Podcast for a Better Life. And you're with me, your co-host, Kim Eley, and also with co-host John Voris.

John Voris (00:42):

Hello.

Kim Eley (00:43):

Hello. And you know what, manifesting is one of those concepts that gets talked about a lot, would you agree? Is often misunderstood.

John Voris (00:55):

Oh, absolutely. And also, quite often it's, it is taken into a totally esoteric realm and really can be a blockage for a lot of people. Hmm. They want something a little bit more empirical, a little more scientific. So yeah, there's, that really does create a lot of problems.

Kim Eley (01:13):

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So let's dive in. Maybe, I don't know, would it be good to talk about what manifesting isn't <laugh>?

John Voris (01:24):

Well, what it isn't is no, you're not going to control the world and just randomly decide, “I want a million dollars and get it” <laugh>. Yeah. That's really unfortunate that—that's, a lot of people believe that because there's a lot of gurus out there telling you that. And they'll have anecdote examples of where that happened and they made money. But we're not looking into their background and who they are because there's, it's holistic events. It's not linear, not necessarily a causal relationship, is what I'm saying. But on the other hand, if you look at it from a human humanistic point of view, manifesting your future is very real.

Kim Eley (02:02):

Got it. So, if you don't mind, let's put it in simple terms. So if I were to say, “John, I'm going to manifest a yacht, give me a yacht, Universe!” Yeah. That's not how it works. It's not like putting in an order for the universe, like, “dear Universe, one yacht, please.” 

John Voris (02:21):

No. It just work that way, <laugh>. And the other way it doesn't work is—yeah, just by thinking of something, it'll come true. Another aspect that's been around for the last 10 years, it doesn't work that way either.

Kim Eley (02:37):

Right.

John Voris (02:37):

But there is a way it does work. And that's how, what I'm going to talk about today.

Kim Eley (02:42):

Awesome.

John Voris (02:43):

From an authentic position.

Kim Eley (02:44):

Yes.

John Voris (02:46):

So, just imagine, we'll start off with you're in Times Square. Okay. And it's Christmas time, <laugh>,

Kim Eley (02:54):

[Flutters hands] Those, those are snowflakes, snowflakes, if you can't see me.

John Voris (02:57):

All right. And so imagine there's a nine year old boy, and he's with his mother, and he is looking around the storefronts looking for toys.

Kim Eley (03:07):

Mm-Hmm.

John Voris (03:08):

Then, well, maybe half a block away, there's a cop looking for a drug sale.

Kim Eley (03:14):

Hmm. Okay.

John Voris (03:16):

There's also there a wife who's waiting for the husband to have lunch.

Kim Eley (03:21):

Mm-Hmm. 

John Voris (03:22):

And there is the drug pusher who's looking for his connection.

Kim Eley (03:26):

<Laugh>. Okay. <Laugh>.

John Voris (03:29):

Okay. So now that's really where their sense of awareness lies. It's a domain and it captures certain events. It's mingling the mind with physical reality in the sense of awareness. Do you think they would be aware when the billboard that displayed “Cats”, the opera, and when it would play?

Kim Eley (03:54):

Hmm. Probably not. <Laugh>. No. 

John Voris (03:57):

And would they know the month at Matilda, the play ended? Billboard?

Kim Eley (04:02):

<Laugh> 

John Voris (04:03):

Right. So you see what happens is maybe on an unconscious level it's picked up but on a subconscious level, it's not right.

Kim Eley (04:12):

Mm-Hmm.

John Voris (04:13):

The subconscious right below the conscious. So what happens is our awareness starts the process of for authenticity in action.

Kim Eley (04:23):

Okay. Okay.

John Voris (04:25):

So just as there's the boy, cop and wife and the drug pusher, you have the love, justice, wisdom power.

Kim Eley (04:32):

Hmm.

John Voris (04:33):

So these are our points of awareness. So what we do is, if we're a Love person, we'll always approach the world from a position of compassion and looking for wellness and spirituality, et cetera. And from a wisdom point of view, which is myself, I'll look for what do—I don't know, what should be known and what can I know what bookstores available. Right?

Kim Eley (04:57):

<Laugh>. Right. 

John Voris (04:59):

That's what design, that's how that awareness shows up. Then awareness is beyond language.

Kim Eley (05:06):

Okay. 

John Voris (05:07):

You're just aware. It's just a state.

Kim Eley (05:09):

Right.

John Voris (05:10):

And so this awareness is full of other states called the archetypes, that [Carl] Jung talked about. Like archetype, for example, is think about the notion of jealousy. “I know jealousy compared to peace.” We just kind of know it. Well, why do we know it? Well, these are the archetypes we were given. Just to know the separation, we know the dues between alone, being alone and being happy. We know that the definition of each one is different. And why, because these are the archetypes that we were born with. Jack, Jean Pache started or, or discussed the genetic epistemology which is that what we know and why we know it began with our genetic makeup, along with our logic, genetic logic. Go ahead.

Kim Eley (05:56):

So question about that. So I think just to kind of break down what you're saying…it's not like jealousy and contentment exist because we have the words for them. Quite the opposite. We already had the experience of being in the state of jealousy, being in a state of anger, being in a state of contentment, and then we try to create words to describe or label that state. Is that correct?

John Voris (06:27):

That's very true. And it even goes be better is children, when you watch children three years old, four years old before language starts.

Kim Eley (06:38):

Right.

John Voris (06:39):

If you take their doll away, they're angry.

Kim Eley (06:44):

Mm-Hmm. 

John Voris (06:45):

Well, why? They haven't earned anything.

Kim Eley (06:49):

Right.

John Voris (06:50):

But they already know what's fair and what's not fair.

Kim Eley (06:54):

Ah, okay.

John Voris (06:55):

Okay. They don't know the concept. They feel, “this is mine.”

Kim Eley (07:01):

And that's something that's an awareness that is not. Like you're saying that that wasn't taught to them. That wasn't anything like that. Okay. Gotcha.

John Voris (07:09):

That's the point, is this is what John Je meant, is that we're born with a genetic composition, enables us to establish logic, and also it lays the foundation for what we are about to learn. And we have to have these archetypes in order to do it.

Kim Eley (07:27):

Mm-Hmm. 

John Voris (07:28):

So then we start with what you just said. Everything you said is absolutely correct. Well, I just want to point out that this starts very young. And in fact, the medical industry has shown that in utero, we show traits of personality.

Kim Eley (07:44):

Really?

John Voris (07:44):

Yeah. Mm-Hmm. 

Kim Eley (07:46):

Wow. That's fascinating. I know. I've had friends who were pregnant and we've been able to do things like, once the baby, the fetus is a certain size, you can tap on the side of the mother's stomach. And the baby will tap back.

John Voris (08:04):

Yeah. Mm-Hmm.

Kim Eley (08:05):

That's fascinating. Oh my gosh.

John Voris (08:08):

So this is where this, the point is, this is where it begins, and this is where you, your authenticity is the potential for it is born right there. And so what happens is the authentic self, it starts to manifest itself in time. And so, and it does so, does so through what you value and your, your great beliefs, et cetera, from this point of view, from this beginning. And so that is where your power lies.

Kim Eley (08:40):

Hmm.

John Voris (08:40):

Your power lies in the Love domain.

Kim Eley (08:45):

Wow. Okay.

John Voris (08:46):

And where your awareness is where your power is. And so you must always be in touch with your Authentic Identity, because when you do synchronicity shows up. Now, what that means is the archetype is not only belonging to you and me but there's what Jung called the collective unconscious.

Kim Eley (09:09):

Mm-Hmm. 

John Voris (09:10):

And so that means that in all the world we understand fairness.

Kim Eley (09:17):

Right. 

John Voris (09:18):

We have a different definition, but we understand what fairness is, and we know what we need to know, power—I mean in wisdom, and then there's power. And we know that this is essential for humanity to survive.

Kim Eley (09:30):

Right.

John Voris (09:31):

World basis.

Kim Eley (09:32):

Right. So that's the collective.

John Voris (09:35):

Yes.

Kim Eley (09:36):

Okay.

John Voris (09:37):

And that is part of what be called the cosmic consciousness.

Kim Eley (09:43):

That's awesome. As an architect, the silly part of me, the silly part of me wants to go, “Cosmic man,” <laugh> <laugh>. So cosmic consciousness, meaning a, again, the collective, is that right?

John Voris (09:56):

Yeah.

Kim Eley (09:57):

Okay. Gotcha.

John Voris (09:59):

I'm, I'm using these terms just to make it more palatable. The other though, is when you are tapping into the micro version of that cosmic consciousness, then you can manifest in both arenas, the physical and the mental. 

So for example, let's see, have I—I had this happen to me quite often. I'll go into a bookstore and I'll be compelled to buy a book. I don't know why I'm not into this topic right now. It makes no sense, but I have to buy it. I really don't get it. Four months later, someone asked me about that very same topic, and I have the book.

I don't know why I've also had this discussed with many, many clients over time, is when they are tapping into their authentic identity, what happens is that the power is both in a sense, cosmic and personal to you, and you're tapping into both at the same time.

Kim Eley (11:04):

Interesting.

John Voris (11:05):

And when you don't tap into [it] and you are being disloyal to your authentic, or being misguided away from it, then these things don't show up.

Kim Eley (11:15):

Fascinating. Okay. So to wrap my hands around it, or my brain around it, in essence, to go back to your example, you were attracted to or felt you needed that book, not because you had any specific need at that point in time but because let's say maybe it resonated with you, something in you was like, “I've got to get this book.”

John Voris (11:40):

Right. It, it was there, but it was beneath the language, I couldn't speak it.

Kim Eley (11:45):

Right. Right, right, right. It wasn't like, you know, “oh, hot dang, I got a paper I got to do on, you know, blah, blah, blah.” It wasn't that kind of thing. It was a subject that maybe you hadn't even been recently thinking about But you see the book and you're like, “I really need to get this.” And then later on you find that you do in fact need that information.

John Voris (12:12):

Right.

Kim Eley (12:13):

What has been manifested in that example?

John Voris (12:17):

Well, in that specific one, it was as I said, a client asked me a question that had to do with history. And I, I had that book, and I was able to give him the answers he was looking for. Had I not bought that book, it wouldn't have happened. So what synchronicity is, is it's a connection between the personal psyche and the material world.

Kim Eley (12:41):

Oh, okay.

John Voris (12:43):

And that the psyche and the material world are both energy forms. And because they're both energy, they can be intermingles. If you are involved with your authentic identity is where your power is.

Kim Eley (12:59):

Gotcha.

John Voris (13:00):

And what happens is what's called a word: isomorphism.

Kim Eley (13:03):

Mm-Hmm.

John Voris (13:04):

What that means is that, that our minds and brains are designed to interpret the world. And the world is designed in a way that is able to be interpreted.

Kim Eley (13:16):

Huh.

John Voris (13:16):

So there's already a connection between the micro and the macro.

Kim Eley (13:20):

So question for you. To go back to your example about Times Square, and we've got the little boy, his mom, the cop, and the criminal, right? Their brains, or they're, they're designed to interpret their world around them. Right? 

So let's say the criminal is especially attuned to patterns where he or she could get away with something, oh, you know, if somebody turns, turns their back, I'll be able to shoplift this thing, right? The little boy who loves toys, maybe especially attuned to that, if we go in that store, there's toys everywhere. Right? I'm trying to think of, is, is that a, an example of isomorphism where we're using patterns?

John Voris (14:06):

That's interesting because the, the psyche and, and the material world are in isomorphic relationship period. Now the question is, is what are we aware of?

Kim Eley (14:18):

Okay. Okay.

John Voris (14:20):

So a, another example is I went to Folsom, a little town up here in Sacramento And I'm walking with my wife, but I'm, I'm—my face, my direction is away from the buildings. And, and we're talking, and my daughter calls, “this is, by the way what are you doing? Where are you?” And I said, “yeah, I'm in here in Folsom, downtown, lots of little shops.” And she says, “you know, I love incense. Could you get me some sticks of incense?” And I said, “well, sure. What type of scent would you like?” “Doesn't matter. Sandalwood's fine.” I said, “okay.” So when we got done, I turned, and there it was.

Kim Eley (14:56):

Oh, bizarre.

John Voris (14:58):

There was the very store and it, and it <laugh> it was amazing. 

Kim Eley (15:04):

<laugh>

John Voris (15:06):

And this chills went up my back. I mean, it was just, it's right there.

Kim Eley (15:09):

That's really wild.

John Voris (15:11):

Yeah. So that's what I mean by having the two together, how isomorphic relationships work. But by tapping into, if people tapped into their authentic identity, which is where their power is, they find this, this happens more often. It's where the universe and the universe of matter, and mine, your mind are in isomorphic relationship in a very particular way. And things show up and you are manifesting, but you are manifesting not because you're conscious of it.

Kim Eley (15:41):

Ah, okay.

John Voris (15:43):

It's an unconscious or subconscious manifestation.

Kim Eley (15:47):

Gotcha.

John Voris (15:48):

Now, sometimes we can speak it and it can come true as well, but we can, we speak a lot of wishes and desires that don't come true at all.

Kim Eley (15:58):

Mm-Hmm.

John Voris (15:59):

And so that's just really important, important to see, is that manifestation does occur when you are tapping into your authentic identity. And there is a relationship between matter and the psyche. And that when another real EAs example is psychosomatic medicine.

Kim Eley (16:17):

What is that?

John Voris (16:18):

Psychosomatic medicine? Well, believe it or not, you, you, when you're under tension and which is just a mental state, you have back problems, you have muscle problems. And actually the body's designed to deprive oxygen to certain parts of the body too. Really cause pain. So your mind could be taken off that issue that you're dealing with.

Kim Eley (16:42):

Oh, wild.

John Voris (16:44):

That's at least the studies that I've read. That's why mm-hmm. <Affirmative> people have muscle problems in their wrists from typing all the time at work, but why is it mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, some doing, some don't.

Kim Eley (16:54):

Hmm. That's wild. Oh my goodness. Yeah. All right. I think let's take a real quick break. Sure. And then pick back o up on this. But this is fascinating. So listeners stay with us. There is more to come.

**Break**

Kim Eley:

All right. Thanks for taking a quick break and sticking with us here at Authentic Living the podcast for a better life. And John, it's so fascinating what we've been talking about with manifestations. Let's dig more into that.

John Voris (18:38):

Oh, absolutely. The connection between the mind and matter. Well, fascinated Carl Young and he made a deep dive into the eing. Have you ever heard of that?

Kim Eley (18:48):

I've heard of it. I candidly don't know what it is.

John Voris (18:51):

Well, it's a form of divination where you take coins and toss them and you watch how they fall, and they'll be heads or tails. And what they do is they designate lines either broken or or whole, and each one, six lines, six times. And that becomes a hexagram. And that hexagram is interpreted in the book of ing.

Kim Eley (19:16):

Hmm.

John Voris (19:17):

So by going through that process, you're asking questions, and then you find the answer through these lines. What's interesting is there really should be no correlation.

Kim Eley (19:28):

Right.

John Voris (19:29):

Your life and these and tossing of coins. 

Kim Eley (19:32):

Right.

John Voris (19:33):

But there is—and that's what was fascinated him. And I know I've had the experience, I've had tarot readings by many people, but I didn't think much of it until one day I was in Berkeley and I saw this young man, he was doing tarot readings, and he was blind.

Kim Eley (19:56):

What?

John Voris (19:57):

Mm-Hmm and his tarot cards [were] in braille.

Kim Eley (20:01):

I was wondering.

John Voris (20:02):

Yeah. And, and, but the point was, is, he couldn't take any cues from seeing me.

Kim Eley (20:07):

Ah. Right.

John Voris (20:09):

So he totally blank. He was fantastic. He was really good.

Kim Eley (20:15):

Yeah.

John Voris (20:17):

Which all that means is that, that the back to the isomorphic relationship between the mind and matter, why would this matter? These cards? Why would these cards show up in a certain way? And he could interpret it in this way, and it would compare to what's going on in my mind or experience.

Kim Eley (20:35):

Wow.

John Voris (20:36):

Or beliefs.

Kim Eley (20:38):

Yeah.

John Voris (20:39):

And back and forth. Yes.

Kim Eley (20:41):

Oh, that's so interesting. So you're saying, tell, tell me if I'm wrong, but you're saying, basically it's like predicting a coin flip, whether it's going to be heads or tails, and instead of it just being random there, there's some sort of a pattern to it.

John Voris (21:00):

Well, there must be because okay.

At least, at least in, in this tradition of the <crosstalk> And so you take a coin in his heads, and let's say that's a solid, I haven't done it a long time. It's a solid line. Tails is a broken line, and then you line them up and you have the answers. And so—

Kim Eley (21:19):

Ah, okay.

John Voris (21:20):

Well, I've done it many times, and it's more accurate than anything I've been en-engaged with, let's put it that way. They're not going to be exact interpretations, but I'll be very close. Anyway. So the point is, is that there is some correlation between the two.

Kim Eley (21:35):

Right.

John Voris (21:36):

But the most odd one I had was my mother had passed and I was few months earlier and I was at a coffee shop And so I'm having a coffee. I was outside and I was just thinking about, you know I wonder what it's like on the other side, you know, and wonder what she's doing. And I'm, I'm doing that. 

Kim Eley (21:57):

Yeah.

John Voris (21:58):

I wonder, I just wonder if she's still around. You know, I just a little curious. So in that moment, I'm, I'm in my chair outside and there's the street and I'm, and there's, I see both sides of the street, but coming my way is a homeless woman. I could tell she's got a cart and bundles of stuff on, and I don't pay much attention to it until it came within about, she came about 30 feet. 

Kim Eley (22:26):

Mm-Hmm.

John Voris (22:26):

And everything was filthy. But one thing, it was a sweatshirt and it was about Saint Jean’s winery. Her nickname was Jean.

Kim Eley (22:38):

Oh my gosh. <Laugh>. That's wild. <Laugh>. 

John Voris (22:46):

I mean that still it hits me today.

Kim Eley (22:49):

Yeah.

John Voris (22:51):

That was amazing. I mean, chance, chance could not be there beyond chance.

Kim Eley (22:58):

Right. Right. 

John Voris (22:59):

There is normal chance. So we understand that, but when it gets that far out, it, there's something else involved.

Kim Eley (23:06):

Yeah. Oh, that's fascinating.

John Voris (23:09):

So when it comes to manifesting it, it's really your authentic identity is trying to manifest for you. And it's doing it, and it's saying,” just listen to me.” There are many books on that, you know, listen to your inner self and because that's where your authentic is, you do, then it, it really knows what you need. You need not what you think you need.

Kim Eley (23:32):

Right, right.

John Voris (23:33):

But what you really need, and that's how that manifests itself.

Kim Eley (23:38):

So that makes me think of something, because I know I've, I've read many books about, there's one by a lady named Gabby Bernstein. The universe has your back. And the premise of it is that doors will open for you. That basically, if you, and I'm going to say are, and I think it must be, if you are living your, living your truth, I think that expression gets used too much. But being your authentic self, right. That's when quote unquote doors and windows will open for you. Is that accurate? Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.

John Voris (24:14):

And that's what I mean by manifesting and—

Kim Eley (24:17):

Got it.

John Voris (24:17):

—I, I can't control the world, but I don't want to, that's not the issue. The issue is my authentic identity is trying to manifest for me what I need. Right. As long as I listen to it and I'm in connection with it. So I'll give you another example is how things show up in the opposite direction. I had a delicate testan one time. I did a very good job. I made good, good living and mm-hmm. <Affirmative> people around me would consider me successful, but I was miserable. Mm-Hmm.

Kim Eley (24:48):

Mm-Hmm.

John Voris (24:49):

Absolutely miserable.

Kim Eley (24:52):

Yeah. Yeah.

John Voris (24:52):

And I had nothing to look forward to. I had nothing to be excited about. It was just a job. And I did that for about five years, believe it or not. And in that five years, I never had any epiphanies synchronistic moments. There was no great manifestation of anything.

Kim Eley (25:13):

Wow.

John Voris (25:14):

It was only until I sold that and I did go, go to door to door sales, as you know, but I always kept philosophy books with me and I always was always reading and epiphanies started showing up again.

Kim Eley (25:27):

Ah, gotcha. 

John Voris (25:29):

The point is, is everybody ne all the people who listen to this needs to keep a journal.

Kim Eley (25:36):

Hmm.

John Voris (25:37):

And when you have a journal of things happening, you will pick up on it. You will see a pattern. I, I guarantee it. I promise you, you will find a pattern.

Kim Eley (25:48):

Interesting. 

John Voris (25:49):

You gotta write it down.

Kim Eley (25:50):

Tell us more with the journal, what might go into it? It, would it just be somebody recording their daily life? Would it be recording? What, what resonates with them? What would they be recording? What did they write? 

John Voris (26:05):

Write down issues that something that happened they didn't like and something happened they did. 

Kim Eley (26:09):

Ah, okay. That's one.

John Voris (26:11):

Okay. Second is write down any epiphanies that they had.

Kim Eley (26:16):

Okay. Gotcha.

John Voris (26:17):

And synchronistic moments.

Kim Eley (26:20):

Awesome.

John Voris (26:22):

You'll the pattern. Yeah.

Kim Eley (26:24):

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. I've also heard, and I frequently will use the expression because there's a wonderful book called God Winks, and it has to do with things that are so coincidental they can't possibly be a coincidence. Exactly.

John Voris (26:43):

That's what Yes.

Kim Eley (26:45):

Mm-Hmm, it, it just, you know, darned well, it happened for a reason that it fits with a pattern. So this is like a, a god wink. If somebody records, you know, what they did or didn't like that happened and then epiphanies, what will they start noticing as they journal?

John Voris (27:02):

First of all, when you write down the happy moments, it's sad moments, angry moments, things like that. You'll find that they're, and it asks what prompted my sad moment, what prompted my happy moment? What conditions were around anger at that time. And what happens is they'll all be tethered to one source, and that's your authentic identity.

Kim Eley (27:30):

Ah, okay.

John Voris (27:31):

These are all signals.

Kim Eley (27:34):

Oh Right.

John Voris (27:35):

You are in touch or you're not, or someone else is trespassing on your Authentic Identity or not. So one thing is very frustrating for me is they'll have courses on anger management. Well, I understand that because some people do take anger too far, but no one has a course on happiness management,

Kim Eley (27:55):

<Laugh>

John Voris (27:57):

Or joy management. 

Kim Eley (27:58):

Right, right. 

John Voris (28:00):

So actually, they're all the same. They're all telling you if you are following your authentic identity or—

Kim Eley (28:06):

Not, if I'm reading or—

John Voris (28:08):

Being true to yourself, the same thing.

Kim Eley (28:10):

Right. So if you, if you start noticing the things that continually irritate you or make you angry, is it as simple as do less of those and do more of the things that make you happy?

John Voris (28:22):

It's not a do good point.

Kim Eley (28:25):

Oh oh, oh, okay.

John Voris (28:25):

It's, it's who you're being while you're doing it.

Kim Eley (28:29):

Okay. Okay.

John Voris (28:31):

What, what happened, what made me happy? For example, I get books delivered here,

Kim Eley (28:36):

<Laugh>

John Voris (28:36):

At the house. So what happens is, you know, I look out the window and I'm looking to see if there's a, a book out there. And if there is, I mean, I just, it just, that's the book I made it. Oh, that's fantastic. I'm happy about it. Then the opposite is when I have to deal with computers and the industry, like a medical industry, trying to make an appointment with a doctor and going through, you know, tree, not only the tree in the branches and going through the leaves. I'm going down the trunk and I'm going down in the ground and I'm talking to golfers <laugh>. And that takes three hours. I've done this, three hours of going down these darn things and getting nowhere and having to start over. Oh. And how about get getting disconnected in the middle of the conversation after you've spent 45 minutes getting, oh, I mean, to me this is really the antithesis of who I am and I just, I really go crazy.

Kim Eley (29:35):

So I, let's explore that for a second. Because I want to know how, how is that the antithesis of who you are? So we know that you're a Wisdom life theme.

John Voris (29:44):

Theoretical wisdom.

Kim Eley (29:45):

Theoretical wisdom. Okay. Oh, okay.

John Voris (29:47):

Not a, not a technical wisdom.

Kim Eley (29:49):

Ah, okay. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

John Voris (29:52):

So I mean, if I, if you took a it'd be like having a, a classroom of a computer geeks—

Kim Eley (29:59):

Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>,

John Voris (30:00):

And I'm going to present phenomenology. There's going to be no connection whatsoever. They're going to be squirming in the seats. They don't want any part of it. 

Kim Eley (30:09):

Right.

John Voris (30:09):

And I wouldn't blame them either,

Kim Eley (30:10):

<Laugh>. Right.

John Voris (30:12):

Because it wouldn't have any connection to their world of physical results. That's what they deal in every day. This is this theoretical results. And so, and we, we all, we have both, but one more than the other. So that would really drive me crazy.

Kim Eley (30:27):

That makes sense. Because since you are in theoretical wisdom, the technical is going against the grain for you because instead of being let's say abstract or it's the, the actual physical, “how do you do this?” That kind of thing. Right. Okay. Gotcha.

John Voris (30:46):

And then there's, what drives me really crazy is when you're trying to make an appointment with the doctor and it has a list of all your symptoms. “Do you have all these or one or two? What if I have none of them?” Right.

Kim Eley (30:57):

<Laugh>.

John Voris (30:59):

Yeah. And then the other one is they can't, a lot of times they just can't answer your question.

Kim Eley (31:03):

Right. 

John Voris (31:05):

It's just, this is what it really does drive me crazy. I have to stop in the middle of it and walk away from it.

Kim Eley (31:09):

Gotcha. So as you were in sales, as we've discussed before, I'm thinking that you probably noted a lot of times where you became angry or frustrated and you noted those. What kind of epiphanies did you have? I'm assuming when you discovered Authentic Systems, that was probably a huge epiphany. <Laugh>.

John Voris (31:33):

Well, absolutely. But yeah, you made a, you, you brought up something as very interesting. When you're not expressing your authentic identity and you're doing something totally different, there's no reason to get angry.

Kim Eley (31:50):

Ah, you're just like, “whatever.” <Laugh>. Yeah.

John Voris (31:54):

Yeah. I mean, if you're there, you're stuck. When I was in college, I would have a part-time job and warehouse, I have absolutely no connection with this warehouse. It's a way to make money. And I don't get angry. I don't, or unless a boss or someone did something to me per personally. But I have no reason to be happy, sad anger, anything because I'm not expressing my authentic identity. I'm neutral. I was numb.

Kim Eley (32:20):

Yeah.

John Voris (32:20):

I was numb when I ran the delicate teum because my authentic was not being expressed. And that's, that's a very good issue you brought up, is that all these emotional reactions have to do with our internal reality and our, our internal motivations.

Kim Eley (32:38):

Mm-Hmm. 

John Voris (32:39):

And if we're not e engaged in our motivation and we know that we're not going to be engaged in our motivations, then we don't have any emotional attachment.

Kim Eley (32:48):

Oh my gosh. That resonates with me like a bell because I've told you my story before. I was in IT for many years and we had layoffs at work and that, because I love the people I worked with. I wasn't laid off, but most of my team was. I always described that as I realized at that moment I was sleepwalking through my life.

John Voris (33:14):

Right.

Kim Eley (33:15):

I had become numb and I had just accepted that it was like, “oh, this is just how life is.” And then I was like, “wait a minute.” And, and that's when I really started investigating and finding out about my authentic and who I really am. So that's so interesting that you mentioned about the numbness, the disconnection. Wow.

John Voris (33:40):

Well thank you for that though. That's a nice story. Validate that—that sleepwalk. I really, I appreciate that, that that's exactly what happens because you're authentic is not being not in connection with it. And so now, now then you probably can't remember, but I doubt there's many synchronistic moments for you.

Kim Eley (34:02):

It is hard to remember, but yeah, I mean, I've had a lot more things. Again, I call them God winks happen all the time. 

Like, just this morning I was at coffee with a client and she asked someone to take our picture together. And this other woman came from across the coffee shop and said, “y'all looked really, you know, just so great in this picture. Who are you? What are you doing?” And we described it to, she goes, “I've always wanted to write my book. May I have your card?”

John Voris (34:33):

<Laugh>? Right. Yeah.

Kim Eley (34:34):

Stuff like that happens all the time. It never happened before.

John Voris (34:38):

Yeah. It was only about three, three weeks ago I needed pool table and I needed to put a light above it. And I'm looking for an electrician and they're hard to find and some people didn't want to come up in this area. Anyway, so I'm in a gas station and I'm just looking at this guy and he's looking at me and he, and I'm looking, then I look at his car and there was an electrician.

Kim Eley (35:00):

Oh my gosh.

John Voris (35:01):

Yeah. And so he gave me the card. I mean, it just, it's just, those are really small and you, you might start thinking that's just, that's so small. It might even be coincidence, which is possible. But the problem is, is that when too many show up, it's not—

Kim Eley (35:18):

That's it. When it too many show up, just one coincidence does not maybe make it when it's just continual pattern. It's like, “right. What?” So yes.

John Voris (35:29):

And then when you take the pattern of getting back to the journal, pattern of synchronistic moments, and you start putting that with how you felt and what you were doing.

Kim Eley (35:40):

Right.

John Voris (35:41):

And you're going to find that the Authentic Identity is manifesting for you.

Kim Eley (35:45):

Yeah.

John Voris (35:46):

It's automatic. It just happens.

Kim Eley (35:49):

Yeah.

John Voris (35:49):

It's not about you controlling anything. It's not about Right. Or wish something, it's not even conscious. It just shows up.

Kim Eley (35:58):

That's amazing.

John Voris (35:59):

Some do, some don't. Most of 'em don’t.

Kim Eley (36:01):

Right, right. Oh, this has been fantastic discussion, John. Oh my gosh. And I think you and I both had a couple of aha moments I'll call this. Oh yeah.

John Voris (36:12):

I really appreciate your, your sleepwalking analogy because that's very true. That when I had that delicate Tesla and I was sleepwalking.

Kim Eley (36:20):

Yeah. Yeah. That's very cool. So awesome. Listeners, thank you for joining us again. John, if somebody wants to reach out to you and they want to ask you a question, are you open to that? Sure.

John Voris (36:34):

Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>.

Kim Eley (36:35):

Awesome. How do they reach you?

John Voris (36:37):

john@authentic-systems.com.

Kim Eley (36:42):

Fantastic. That's good. And same, same thing. If they're interested in having an assessment, do they just email you?

John Voris (36:49):

Yeah, you can email me or you can go, you can go to authentic-systems.com and find me there, authentic-systems. Awesome. And you can sign up for an assessment there.

Kim Eley (37:02):

Fantastic.

John Voris (37:03):

Yeah. Once you learn what your authentic identity is, then you'll find out what it has been telling you all your life.

Kim Eley (37:10):

Yes.

John Voris (37:11):

And you can put it together. That's what people do.

Kim Eley (37:13):

That's so awesome. It's powerful. So fantastic. Well, thank you everybody, and we'll see you next time.

John Voris (37:20):

Bye-Bye.